Marriage differences and working it out

The beginnings of the next book. Love your comments and questions. I touch on a bunch of things I will elaborate on later.

Love has become a formula and romance has disappeared and a tell tale sign is the fact married couples often find isolation in a relationship. We can say I will try and be romantic but again it is futile as romance is not something we plan it is not something we organize or do it just happens. It happens in a married relationship as we lay aside distractions and allow Holy Spirit life to kindle a fresh romance in life. It can be easy to say relationships change and they do. When we are first married there are not usually kids, then kids arrive and then the kids leave and those changes require adaptation as a couple. But again it must come back to romance. I can look at someone I love and marginalize the romance for a host of reasons but in reality when I make excuses or reasons for change all I am saying is romance is lacking, dying or dead. That does not mean we do not love each other it simply highlights the need for romance.

You see I can make a thousand reasons why Gods love is demanding and offensive. I am busy with life and responsibilities and God will need to fit with that as best he can. It is not that I do not love Him but I am taking care of the babies he gave me in this life. I fail in such an instance to see I have orphaned my heart and become the height of self righteousness. That may have been my defense and my way to survive but in romance there is no place for individuality. Anyone who stands alone will ultimately fall, so the issue becomes how deep will we surrender our  life’s paths and responsibilities.

Remember the romance of the past and never let it go. It can and will only be maintained through the Holy Spirit but today romance has been substituted for so many foreign adulterous ways. We have made romance about love and now make statements like “I do this because I love you”. But again in our self righteousness of love we cannot grasp the fact our lover does not ask for love, romance must be given.

It is in the marriage of people we understand that romance is the Holy Spirit wooing us. When we break that down to love we have become self righteous and self fulfilling. The need in us is greatest and we cannot grasp the fact the holy Spirit is saying yes I love you but above all my language is romance and the only way to enter romance is to be interrupted in life. When romance flows the whole world is meaningless and now in that strength of romantic love the two become one in love. Love flows out of romance, romance does not flow out of love. If romance dwindles then carnal love or self righteous love fills the void.

Just as the church is on a path to perfect love they separate from the romance of the Spirit. They do so much they think pleases God but in reality god is appalled at the fact they are loving Him with a carnal love. It becomes increasingly obvious that carnal love is devoid of romance. We do things to please our love and then get frustrated when it is not seen as enough. We get frustrated and the screams within that are silent get louder as we make sacrifice to show love. The problem is that sacrifice was and is never required. When romance is the forefront of a relationship no interruption is required or demanded. Demands are not made but rather two people become enraptured in passionate admiration of the other.

In romance duties are neglected but somehow they get done as time does not matter. I think of a young couple where homework took 4 hours it was done in 30 minutes as they had to be together.

When love replaces romance we have partnerships that are self focused. Just as in Churchianity today people feed the poor, street witness, tithe or give money  and perform a host of love actions to God. They fail to grasp after the day of Pentecost the relationship between God and man became about romance and you can only ever be romantic when you are tuned into the Spirit of your love. This carries through exactly to marriage. So much of what we do is about love in marriage. We try to love people the way we want to be loved and if the partner is a different personality type then all we do is alienate the one we love. We pour more love in as do the self righteous in religion and frustration follows. Frustration with ourselves and frustration with those around our lives and the objects of our love. Like churchianity our marriages have become devoid of romance in a fast paced romance less world.

In such a world romance has become about self gratification. I give to get and men use romance for sex and women use romance for self worth and in reality they have failed to understand you can’t understand romance. I know a man who rode his bicycle 7 hours to be with his girl and when he arrived the family was so mad they left and he had to ride his bicycle another 7 hours home again. He would have done it again the next day just for 10 minutes with his romance.

Now yes we can say life must go on and if we all lived in a romantic state nothing would get done but that is just a flat out lie and deception of self righteousness. You see in romance people come together to do so they can be together and the actions become an outflow of romance instead of a struggle to get romance. Like those inside churchianity thinking works show I love God. They fail to grasp being filled with the Holy Spirit and the fact when I am filled life becomes a works of romance not a labor of love. Many today have made their relationship with God a labor of love instead of a work of romance.  I have had churchianity tell me we have to do the works the bible speaks about and fail to grasp the bible after Pentecost is not about works (or a labor of love) it is about romance of the Spirit and works just happen from that. Our works are a thermometer of romance in our lives not because we do them out of love but because they are who we are in romance.

So I do not feed the poor because I love Jesus  but rather out of the romance of His spirit united with my spirit I feed the poor when it is in His romance to do it. Think of marriage as the same often we strive to show love or strive to not neglect the responsibilities that came from romantic love. We fail to grasp romance calling telling us just BE and when we just BE love is and things will get done. Now it is not work but rather it is pleasure. As two lovers come together in romance the impossible is achieved as the two become one flesh as the bible says.

Romance is missing in many of our married relationships and that carries through to our relationship with God. We have slipped into a labor of love at the expense of romance. The new testament church after Pentecost is summed up in one word ROMANCE and such is a Godly marriage. As koinonia is revealed in me, my marriage will reignite or further ignite with romantic passion.

Release from demonic and taking Spiritual ownership through koinonia

When it comes to the demonic I have seen the same trend as in everything religion has done. It can become a religious works of sorts. There is no doubt demons are active and oppress but I am starting to see another way of release.

Firstly everything of this carnal world system is under the influence of the devil and is part of his kingdom created by man in the devils name. It is in the devils name as it has no heavenly ownership it is not Sspirit it is demonic in ownership or origin. Now that is not necessary and it is obvious God redeemed man and we can redeem kingdom assets and possessions to be part of the koinonia needs being met.

We are still carnal and unfortunately many take ownership of assets and want to use them for God. In the case of business it becomes my business is owned by me and I use it for the kingdom. That seems all so wonderful but in reality it is self righteous and death. How would it be if the Sspirit man ministered to the carnal man. So out of a man’s spirit flows a business and its purpose is kingdom Sspirit. It is not there to bring in it is there to release out. A demonic based assets brings in it never releases heavenly life out. Now we can say the money comes in so I can release people but that is self righteous. Not kingdom righteous.Kingdom righteous business has no direct purpose it just is. It is something we know we are supposed to be in and is not about us it is about doing what is flowing from the Jesus in us. Many do not understand it is Jesus as their gift manifests.

So I think of Ricks ice cream store in Florida. He did not want it nor was he looking to be in business but out of His spirit flowed creative life and bam, he is in a store. Rick would be the first to tell you it makes money but is not about money. It is a spirit flow and out of that flow limitless life is. Lives are being changed and a community impacted, if they are not then all that has happened is  Spirit life is not being lived. Or natural self ownership is being taken. As Rick is staying in Sspirit koinonia ownership then heavens kingdom is manifest through what is going on there. Having been there I can tell you it is a Sspirit business.

The bible tells us “heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force” and it tells us you cannot enter a house unless you first bind the strong man. As we are revealed Sspirit life then out of that flows the need for natural things. So now my spirit ministers to the koinonia. More on that but I see people with gifts ministering to the koinonia so others can be free in their gift. So for example some people have the gift of wealth it just comes to them. They usually turn that into demonic ownership instead of releasing it into spirit life. When in Sspirit life it will minister to koinonia and free up others from the need for finances as they impart life through the manifestation of financial wealth they are. It is not that everyone lives off this person but what will happen is the wealth will bring life to koinonia. It may involve as in Acts laying finances at the feet of others in koinonia and saying let it go where spirit life takes it but it will bring release not  ownership on a natural level. Many wealthy like other gifted people will never enter the fullness of their gift. They fail to grasp the Spirit romance of the gift and the creative ability that lies within the manifestation of such. They may do good works but are never satisfied as the good works often are based in a self righteousness, like trying to fulfill an inner understanding of why. Never grasping it is not about giving it is about releasing in the holy Spirit koinonia life. Religious systems make that about a place and ownership and any gifted people sense there is something wrong with that but cant understand why they feel unsatisfied or different. It is not about the gift it is about the righteousness. In the case of money it is not about the money it is about release. Take ownership and it brings death and despair, release and it is life and creates abundant life in everything it flows to.

So as God is all about koinonia with us He understands we have natural needs and as we  understand, unless something seen as an asset comes from Spirit it is demonic in ownership and origin, or has been mutated to such. Many times we find Gods plan is not stopped but it is frustrated by demonic oppression of people. What should be easy takes forever as we do not bind the strong man understanding what that means. I can see instead of making a demon a focus rather we enter koinonia communion become aware of the oppression and release Spirit life. As we release Spirit life there is no ability for the demonic to stand in the way. That may involve words, actions or just positioning but in reality we do not have to work at it, the binding is a flow of our spirit  co-joined with Christ. But there must be a release brought about by our spirit senses, that as the bible says have been trained by reason of use.

 Lots in here, just email comments for clarification.

The fall of man viewed different

It raises some questions in all of us. We know God was not taken by surprise when man fell and it was all part of His plan. I can start to see we have limited Gods plan to our understanding and in doing so have relegated ourselves to insignificance. Until we start to grasp how God views us we can never enjoy the place we hold in the heart of our eternal savior and love.

It is in this line of thinking I can see we are not being restored to what mankind was before Adam and Eve fell. There is an even better place and we can almost say God having created a man like Him yearned to complete man in koinonia.

The God head is in complete and precious koinonia and even using the word koinonia does not describe the intimacy and individuality they have. Their individuality is so complete they actually encompass each other. The traits they have come together to form a whole but individually they would be a whole but would not be a whole. They can never operate individually and have no desire or power to do such as in the course of koinonia the power to be an individual has been laid down never to be able to be taken up again. In total submission to one another they also see and are each other. They complete each other into a beautiful manifestation we call the god head. They move as one, exist as one, think as one . Jesus shows us this when He says I”I do nothing but my father tells me” We read that as an authority statement when in actuality it is a koinonia verse. He is really saying what he says in John 14 “I and my Father are one.” If He is one with the father it is amazing that every part of their being is in total submission to each other so much so they can and do move as one in all actions, thoughts, words and deeds.

If you want to understand God look at Jesus and this is the perfect expression of koinonia. So precious is this koinonia God wants us to be part of it. He created man in His image and in Genesis you can hear the God heads heart when God says “my spirit will not strive with man forever as he is flesh” That flesh part has no oneness with God it is all about self and desires of self. God said when referring to man “the intent of his heart is continually evil”. God can never be one with someone who is all about self.

So Eve and Adam fell into self worship and man has continued in that ever since and has hidden that self desire in sin. The same sin Jesus took away. But here is the fascinating line of understanding. God knew all of this in His plan and we could say although he created Adam and Eve to be like Him. They were not and could not be koinonia until there was a self identity that has been surrendered. In other words mans creating was complete after Pentecost, all man had to do and has to do is enter it. It was after Pentecost we see koinonia enter our understanding. For the first time God gave a greater glimpse of who the God head is.

We know from many passages in the bible things like. In marriage the two become one and marriage is a type to reveal Gods marriage to mankind. We know there is a marriage supper that we as the bride will take part in. We know in John 14 Jesus talks about His relationship in God and ours as well, we are one as He is one. God could not have koinonia with Adam and Eve He could only have intimacy as until there was that side of individuality surrendered true oneness was not possible. All He had would have been a robot that was not in oneness by choice but by creation. So it is now thousands of man years later God completes His creation. It was His plan all along. He could not write clear instructions to be followed to get there as if He did it might as well have just  told Adam and Eve to do as they were told. Koinonia does not come through knowledge and we have watched as many struggle with what they see as a concept. Unable to see self  or seeing self and trying to surrender self they miss the point that Holy Spirit life abides and when we abide self disappears while remaining as in the God head.

Koinonia is the hidden mystery talked about in the new testament. It remains hidden to all who want it taught. If it can be taught we are robots greedy to please for self benefit. When entering the Sspirit of koinonia there is nothing in it for me, while everything is in it for me. I cannot say I am koinonia with someone or I have arrived, all I can be is aware there is a connection no words can describe. Those Spirit groaning as the bible possibly calls them are too deep for words. They are creation being completed in man and as mortality is swallowed up by life then all that is revealed is God life. We know God life is life and anything from man is mortality. Man spends his life grasping for the wind and failing to understand God is creating still. God yearns for His bride to be one and the beautifully amazing feat here is that God wants His koinonia bride to enter the koinonia of the God head through Christ. Now with Christ you and I can be what man has labeled trinity but God called Himself.

What an amazing plan that he allowed a third of the angels as created beings to fall into becoming demonic spirits and He knew that ultimately those demonic spirits would be used to reveal man’s heart to himself so he would need a savior and make the choice that living independent and selfish only produces death. When is Christ mortality is swallowed up by life that is completed as the last few verses say in 1 Corinthians 13 when we are fully revealed.

So let’s say it this way, man is not a mistake being repaired. We are not getting back to Eden and to help us understand that God sealed the entry way to Eden to never be found again. We in self righteousness keep looking back to what we have missed out on. If only Eve had not eaten and we still do what Adam did. He blamed the woman as we blame our fathers and ultimately Adam and Eve for our actions. God knew they would, God was not surprised by Eve or the snake or the fact there was a tree they should not eat of. God the master craftsman was allowing all of the above to bring oneness to Himself. We are to be koinonia with God and each other. Could it be Enoch entered koinonia and as his mortality was swallowed up by life we was just taken to be one with God. Obviously we can’t make knowledge of such and even trying limits the expression of the Spirit in us. But For the first time I see we are not going back. God had a timeline of creation that is working and creating and as we look forward to beyond Pentecost we can see a glimpse of a completed man that had to pass through the valley of the shadow of death called mortal life.

God created us for koinonia with Him. It was so wonderful for the Godhead they wanted so much for man to be part of it and yet here we are!!