BE LIKE GOD???? email chain

From: P. D####### [mailto:d#######.###@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 2:23 PM To: bostonndrc Subject: Re: lessons from the Vikings I think the religious and those who regard themselves as The Faithful, and The Born Again (all caps, gothic script, angelic hymns in the background), read in search of answers. I think they look for where they went wrong, why they feel like failures for not trusting, how they can 'fix' themselves or others, reasons for what is and what isn't, in short, instructions! Understanding. Churchitarians, whether they realize it or not, preach "God is good. You aren't." In practice, there is no way to NOT fail. We're human. I think it's the HUMAN that determined we should be constantly aware of our shortcomings and constantly trying to emulate God. What arrogance! Emailed reply: I would only add to that the core of the problem. We try to emulate God and anything we try and do is self made religion of carnality. I don’t understand it but our Spirit man is complete and one with Christ when we surrender our carnality to Jesus. That does not now mean we work to be Him in means we allow who He is to be revealed in us. You are right it is COMPLETE self righteous arrogance to even think we can understand God and think we have ability to copy who He is. In such a case we repeat the self righteousness of Eve and Adam, thinking we can be like God. Eat the fruit God put there and you can be like Him. We repeat Eves righteous foolishness in our church systems daily and teach it to others so lovingly (sick). God put the fruit there only to reveal to us how self righteous we really are. He knew they would eat it as we eat, prophecy and miracles and words of knowledge to become like God. Adam and Eve ate and so do we, we just fail to see we are naked and keep eating with no shame. Timothy says their glory is in their shame. We should be ashamed but instead we glory in it. The apostle Paul talks of walking by the spirit in Romans 8 and you will not carry out the lusts of the flesh. Walking by the spirit is about positioning and revealing and relaxing, it is identity and who I am in Him. We have made it about trying to make our carnal man something our spirit man already is. Very disheartening for a carnal works orientated Christian to finally realize they have nothing of value to offer. Everything we are is of no use to God. As the bible says unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies it remains by itself alone. We have to allow carnality to die so we can live and we do that by entering Christ and allowing Him to enter us. So Christians say I asked Jesus into my life so I died and now I am justified in my works. They miss the point the growth of the spirit man is koinonia and Philemon 1:6. I said it this way once which bewildered who I said it too. Carnal love is carnal hate to the spirit man and often Spirit love will come across as hate to the carnal man as he cannot manipulate and get his own way. Each could accuse the other of self-righteousness, but a God righteous person would never pause for such. But in reality the only self righteousness is as you said a works orientated person. A God righteous man lives Spirit life and great things are revealed. We have created a culture of Spirit manifestations to validate our self righteous man. Those manifestations we see as validating our lives actually we limit when controlling it by our carnality. Walking Spirit truths we can only ever be called self righteous as a confidence and strength comes from the Spirit man that is arrogance to the carnal. How can it not be as God righteousness is not negotiable and is absolute. We just have no control over manipulating it. When we stop trying to teach people Jesus and show off the Holy Spirit like a parade then, as we are seeing already lives are changed by revealing of Christ at work. Funny thing, it is the pastors and ministers that struggle with it the most. They have a lot to lose and cannot see have everything to gain. They know the pieces of what we say but have taken the fragments that they can apply to carnal religion and run with them. Failing to see the positioning or lack of positioning only reveals self. They hunger to validate their ministries needing bottoms on seats and preaching engagements and meetings and .. and…. And… Of course we say it is for Jesus and He has us doing it. What a travesty we have mixed carnality and spirituality. It causes the church to call good evil and evil good. They make good and evil about knowledge and miss it is about life, perfect love casting out all fear. I hear of people teaching koinonia and it adds to highlight the foolishness. It reveals how little we have koinonia revealed. How can I teach romance I can but make a romantic atmosphere and let the lover come. The Godhead is in perfect koinonia and we can’t teach what that looks like. We called it a trinity and had all sorts of crazy analogies to try and teach it. IMPOSSIBLE! The Godhead is perfect koinonia romance of Acts 3 & 4 at work. As are we when we enter Pentecost and see it is about revealed life not just manifestations. In teaching it all we reveal is our foolish carnality of works and knowledge. It becomes a labor of love not a romantic lover. Probably why many today have never experienced romance only what they call love. Welcome to churchianity, a labor of love called harlotry. Mark my words koinonia will be the catch teaching soon and bible schools will have modules on it. We send our young to bible schools to educate them and in reality we instill a carnal knowledge of God mixed with the Spirit yearning for revealing. Now their quest of works for approval begins and they can never be satisfied by what they do. Remember for the first 30 or more years of the early church they had no epistles. They were the living epistle and any spirit individual is a living epistle. The word is near then and in them and reading the bible only confirms what is going on in them already. Damn the knowledge of the bible we spew so self righteously, damn the bible colleges and churches who teach Christ. Can we not say as the bible suggests they teach another Jesus a Jesus of carnality devoid of spirit lifestyle. Yes people find Jesus in there and see manifestations. Instead of seeing such as an invitation to step out in romance they see it as a validation of works and dig in deeper. Any wonder the church has stagnated and is not seeing increase in life. They turn to flashing lights and works programs to keep people around and never see they are a harlot church of carnality. Prostituting true Spirit romance love for self lust. A lady stood in our house and wept a few days ago as she started to see her works have been hard work and of no value to God. Our good works are as filthy rags in God s sight the bible says. The religious howl at this point with indignation. The Spirit individual realizes when coming from Spirit life, our lives are a good works. Talk soon